[nycbug-talk] Re: wasabi
Mon Jan 23 15:53:23 EST 2006
Alex has some good points here, insomuch as he recognizes that some
code thrives in closed enviornments, and some thrives in open
On Jan 23, 2006, at 4:41 PM, alex at pilosoft.com wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Isaac Levy wrote:
>> Conversely, keeping things flexible
>> If you think software is a service, using BSD license works just
>> If you insist software should be a product, BSD license works just
>> If you want to do business with people who carry both of these ideas
>> respectively, the GPL gets in the way.
> If I think that releasing free software is a good thing, and more free
> software is a good thing, and that people who use my software
> should be
> forced to release their changes, I use GPL.
Cool- but how free is free in that case? You really want to force
users of your free software to give it back to you?
> If I want to make money off my software, I release under commercial
> restrictive license.
Sure, a restrictive commercial license is fine- but if you want to
make money off your software, yet be able to keep it for the long-
haul? (i.e. ever had someone force you to buy your own software back?)
Couldn't a BSD license let you freely do both? And perhaps even,
wouldn't it be nice if a commercial vendor could freely release
software that has lost it's market value (knowing of course, that
it's not violating any license agreements for any code it acquired as
a closed product)?
(e.g. I'd sure love to have the source for a number of legacy
commercial apps [namely- PaintWorksPlus for MacIIgs], but who knows
what kind of copyright trail the source could have which forces it to
>> Though to really put my mouth where my heart is, I'm a pretty firm
>> believer that the GPL is a sort of fascist, absolutist freedom for
>> software. I believe the authors, and the spirit of the GPL, values
>> source code and machine cycles, far more than human life and
>> With that, I tend to simply see machines and code as extensions of
>> beings, and disagree with the GPL.
> I value time I spent writing code. I want to be compensated for it.
But Alex, don't you primarily run a service business?
> by being paid by licensee (commercial license), or by forcing other
> to release their improvements to my software (which hopefully will be
> somewhat useful to me).
> I don't see place for a BSD license. I'm not *that* altruistic, I
I don't see the alltruism in BSD licensing, I see respect for
differences between cultures of creating.
>> (Some folks say that view is a stretch, but kick back with a
>> printout of
>> the GPL on your next subway ride and then tell me why I'm wrong.)
> This is becoming a flamewar.
Nah, it's all good conversaton to me!
Tell me why I'm wrong? Or am I? Alex- as you are here backing the
GPL, with your comments, are you agreeing with me that the GPL is
fascist in how it forces absolute freedom?
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